Sunday, January 22, 2012

Experts Debate Obama's Birth Certificate
Mark Gillar @ BTR

John Woodman debates Mara Zebest, Tom Harrison, and Karl Denninger on the authenticity of Obama's birth certificate.

Then, in the second half of hour two, Woodman will debate New York Times best-selling author Jerome Corsi who is the author of Where's The Real Birth Certificate. BTR PLAYER BELOW AND HERE. ALSO ON YOUTUBE BELOW.



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PREVIOUS DISCUSSION: Numerous Computer Experts Discuss Obama's Forged Birth Certificate; Tear Apart Obama Supporters Bogus Claims - VIDEO HERE

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72 comments:

  1. Why debate the alleged or fictitious birth certificate? Why doesn't Obama simply make an Original Copy of said birth certificate availible for forensic examination?

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  2. The panel was ganging up on Woodman, saying that he was being ARGUMENTATIVE when he was just pointing out a major contradiction in their theory!? He was using facts to point out contradiction and of course the birthers used "Alinksky tactics" to try to wiggle out of it.

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  3. "Only 5 people read John's blog, and one of them is his mother". Lol.

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  4. Woodmans an idiot. It just takes away from the need to get the nbc issue to the forefront and get this usurper removed.

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  5. Thanks for the link to this radio show. The experts did seem to gang up rather than just let the soporific Woodman guy expose his incompetence and preposterosity.

    Why is no one, including Obama, allowed near the long form birth certificate? Is it an innocuous government document, or is it a religious relic?!

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  6. @Anonymous

    I'm sorry but Woodman, though a nice guy, never answered many of the questions. Even the simple question I asked "How can a photocopy be of such poor quality as to not pick up the security paper on the page and of such high quality as to pick up a document behind it?" was never really answered.

    I agree about the ganging up. It should be noted that it was Woodman's idea to debate so many people at once. He actually wanted Paul Irey and Joseph Farah to join in as well.

    There was a lot of good information presented in this debate, but fewer participants would have made for a much better debate.

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  7. @Kenneth Olsen

    He can't take possesion of it because if it's a forgery,he would "own it" from a strictly legal standpoint.

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  8. @Kenneth Olsen

    If it's a DIGITAL forgery (which it IS, and Zebest, etc. can PROVE it), then he can't "take possession" of the "data" (there's a better word for it -- pixie dust?!)!!

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  9. Yes, it does seem futle, but from another view, every time the subject of Obama's legitimacy comes up for discussion on even these small venues, someone new hears it and the open secret has one more adhearent and the emperior with no clothes becomes more exposed. We shall overcome!

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  10. "Why is no one, including Obama, allowed near the long form birth certificate? Is it an innocuous government document, or is it a religious relic?!"

    Due to HI law. It's hard to understand what part of that you don't get.

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  11. The panel was ganging up on him because at the very beginning he started accusing without asking questions and that set the mood for defense. He was also lying. Anyone who believes the president can not touch his birthcertificate should realize that is a flat lie. The president has been signing executive orders without congress and is getting away with it. How could he not have the power. Plus in Dreams of my Father he stated that he found his birthcertificate and had it in his possession. You can not tell me that he sent his origanal to Hawaii after he wrote the book!

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  12. I thought it strange for Woodman to stress his involvement in Christian organizations. Many Christian organizations are corrupt so it did not impress me. He just seemed to attacking in his approach. Especially at Corsi. Maybe because Corsi is working with Sherrif in Arizona and he was payed big money to write this book. The alinsky tactic is to ridicule and segregate the person .

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  13. @Anonymous
    Yes....that's exactly what we want him to do!!

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  14. This guy is an Obot who wrote this book. His tell tale sign is that he said that NOTHING these renown experts had uncovered was legit. Only he was right. Sound familiar? He was not interested in the truth or the logic of his positions. And they are all all stupid. I'm surprised Jerome Corsi stayed around as long as he did. It was like E=m c squared, vs. 2+2 =4. John is either getting paid directly from the Obama camp or he he is trying to cash in by hyping a theory to give the Obots something to cling to about the birth certificate. He knows they want to hear it. He reminds me of Michael Moore cashing in on 9-11 and the liberals frothing at the mouth hatred of GW Bush. Mike got rich.

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  15. First of all, who the hell is John Woodman??? Second of all, the ignorant Obot that said Obozo can't have his BC because of HI law is more of an idiot than I ever thought possible. IF it were REAL, it would belong to HIM and he could do what he wanted to with it. God you people spew this crap and expect intelligent people to believe it. Unreal!

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  16. @Mark Gillar

    Mark, I will admit that the question, "How can a photocopy be of such poor quality as to not pick up the security paper on the page and of such high quality as to pick up a document behind it?" was a new question for me. I certainly didn't have a ready answer for the question, as it's one I've never considered. Nor has it ever been brought up before as an important point in the debate.

    Nonetheless, I did attempt an answer, and I certainly don't see it as a huge problem for such a photocopy to exist. One obvious way is that we may be looking at a second-generation image. If you photocopy an original document on safety paper and hand that out to the press along with a similar copy of the short form birth certificate, and then those two copies are placed by someone onto a glass and scanned or copied again, then I would expect to see very much what we see here: only a portion of the safety paper, and bleed-through of the short-form handout behind it.

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  17. @Mark Gillar

    Mark, I would be curious to know what other questions you think I failed to answer. I will certainly attempt to answer them here.

    I should note, from my perspective, that there are NUMEROUS questions that my opponents in the debate have failed to answer.

    There were multiple questions in the debate that Dr. Corsi did not give a satisfactory answer to, such as why he has never retracted his false statement regarding Charles Bennett's article.

    None of my opponents -- not Denninger, not Zebest, not Harrison or Corsi -- can explain away the fact that the evidence shows all the images we have are images of the same thing -- almost certainly the paper document with raised seal in Savannah Guthrie's photos -- and the fact that all of the information is identical.

    When you look at all of the evidence, the conclusion is inescapable that no significant change on the information in the PDF took place.

    The entire story is longer; I've gone into it in more detail here.

    There are also NUMEROUS points on which Zebest and Denninger have been PROVEN in my book to be flat-out wrong. They have never even attempted to answer those... because they can't.

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  18. @Anonymous

    I would like to address the point you made, that I seemed to be attacking in my approach.

    In retrospect, I would choose a different question to lead with on Corsi. The question is 100% legitimate, but I will admit it was also a confrontational question, and a different question would've been a better choice to start with.

    The fact remains, however, that Bennett's article does not say what Corsi claimed it says. ANYBODY can easily verify this by going back and carefully reading both Corsi's claim and Bennett's original article.

    So Corsi made a clearly false statement. Then he based an entire theory on that false premise, and went all over the country on numerous radio shows claiming that Obama's birth certificate had to be a forgery because the number could not possibly be what it was... when in fact neither Corsi nor anybody else had shown any such thing, because Bennett never said any such thing.

    Dr. Corsi also sold books based on these claims.

    Furthermore, when a birth certificate fell into Corsi's hands whose certificate number directly contradicted these claims, he did NOT retract them, and he did not choose to reveal that contradictory information.

    Instead, WorldNetDaily's staff edited the certificate number out of the certificate image.

    Corsi then certified the new birth certificate as "genuine" and posted an image of it -- minus the certificate number -- in another article selling yet more of his books.

    Unfortunately, I discovered the certificate number.

    Am I the only person here who sees an ethical problem with Dr. Corsi's behavior?

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  19. Thank you to Mark Gillar and to John Woodman for following this matter on this site. I would like to ask Mr. Woodman to explain the President's bizarre conduct in this matter. Why is this document being presented on the internet in this bizarre format in the first place? Why not let anyone have access to it? Why see a decorated officer in the armed forces go to jail and lose his benefits over this matter?

    Is there such a thing as Conduct Unbecoming a President?

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  20. after seeing several well crafted YT clips that made credible and coherent arguments as to why the WH pdf was at best a fabrication ,I tried in good faith to soldier through the various woodman YT clips to hear a credible and coherent rebuttal and defense to the various assertions of forgery .

    I watched several of woodman's clips numerous times without ever encountering ANY rebuttal to any of the "anomalies " that was even slightly
    coherent or convincing .he CLAIMED that he was being honest and objective and that if the viewer would but set aside any preconceived ,biased opinions ..that he would demonstrate that the WH pdf was NOT full of anomalies and was thus NOT problematic .

    Woodman's YT clips did NOT in fact ,explain away ANY of the anomalies ,despite his earnest claims to being a non partisan in pursuit of the objective truth ,he is CLEARLY just another obat shill ,intent on obfuscation ,dissembling and deception .

    woodman's YT clips are indeed full of pure unadulterated smoke ,twaddle and chicanery and make no attempt whatever to make any good faith explanations of any of the "anomalies " he merely argues in circles like every other shamelessly dishonest obatzi liar we have ever had to debate .

    in my last post to woodman,some 8 months ago ,i pointed out that he was the LAST defender of the WH pdf still standing at YT ,that as such he should lobby the WH to obtain the the necessary HARDWARE and SOFTWARE to REPRODUCE the various anomalies on YT ..woodman AGREED that this was a good idea but as we can see THIS in fact NEVER HAPPENED .

    after EIGHT months he has STILL NOT ever duplicated ANY of the numerous anomalies in any credible way ,and yet HE continues to make the preposterous claim to be a regular ,disinterested, nonpartisan guy who is merely trying to discover the "objective truth " in regards to the obnoxious "april fools " WH LFBC pdf.

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  21. Woodman never answered this question... it was asked twice during the program... the only way this happens is when a choice has been made to manipulate the document. See video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H76N3iX4inU

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  22. Woodman never answered this question... it was asked twice during the program... the only way this happens is when a choice has been made to manipulate the document. See video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H76N3iX4inU

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  23. what is much more salient than all this boring nitpicking is the executive order obama signed as soon as he was sworn in.

    wonder if it was before he had to do a do over without a video camera:


    "The day after Barrack H. Obama A.K.A Barry Soetoro took office as President of the United States (POTUS), he filed executive order 13489, banning the release of his records....Will the Executive Order signed by Obama the day after he was elected president effect the outcome of this case (Georgia) in any way?"

    http://theintelhub.com/2012/01/21/obama-set-for-trial-forged-birth-certificate-and-fraudulent-social-security-numbers/

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  24. Seems to me that birth records from the purported birth hospital, Kapiolani? would settle the birth issue.
    Surely Obama could obtain them and release them to the media, that is if he has nothing to hide.

    I suspect if Obama was born in Hawaii, it was a home birth, but at this point anything is possible, and the obfuscations by the Obots continues.

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  25. @Kenneth Olsen

    Kenneth, I have some of the same questions as you do regarding some of the White House behavior. Specifically, I felt that the White House should never have let Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin be court-martialed, jailed for half a year, etc. in the way that took place. Some have expressed their opinions to me that he was out of line, but I still feel the White House should've released the long form birth certificate earlier.

    Obama's a politician, and I think a lot of his behavior can be explained by political motives. I am not (as someone above falsely stated) remotely an "Obot." Just because I see no good evidence at all of forgery doesn't mean that I don't think Mr. Obama (and a lot of the rest of our politicians) shouldn't be retired.

    And I'm happy to tell anyone why. In one sentence: They're bankrupting the country and sacrificing our future. Under Obama our already overwhelming national debt in just 3 years an ADDITIONAL $57,500 for each and every family of four in the entire nation. I find this completely untenable and irresponsible.

    That's the right issue to oppose Mr. Obama on, not the birth certificate -- as there is simply no good evidence it's forged.

    The same person who falsely accused me of being an Obot (bn) gave as his reason "he said that NOTHING these renown [sic] experts had uncovered was legit."

    To be more accurate, I have maintained (and do maintain, because it's the truth) that there's no GOOD evidence at all that we have a forgery. This was what I found as the result of a very careful 3-month investigation. To date, 5 months after I published my book, NONE of the significant results of that investigation have ever been refuted.

    I've been called names. I've been studiously ignored. I've been attacked on minor points that don't change the overall results. All because I'm not willing to sacrifice the truth for the sake of politics.

    There's plenty of INSUFFICIENT evidence, and plenty of INVALID evidence, that has been brought forth. But I am personally entirely satisfied that that's ALL that it is, and that this has been SHOWN to be the case.

    Making accusations that don't stand up to scrutiny is not conduct becoming of conservatives. It also allows others to paint conservatives as idiots.

    So far, I have fought the battle for preserving truth and integrity in conservatism pretty much without the visible support of fellow conservatives -- except for some such as A. Afterwit of the "Raised on Hoecakes" blog. I could really use other conservatives to stand up and say, "You know, I'm going to support the truth, period. Because truth is a conservative value."

    Some of my opponents aren't even conservative -- like Mara Zebest, who's an old Democratic Hillary supporter from PUMA PAC. Yet some who claim to be conservatives will support her over me, simply because she says what they want to hear -- regardless of whether it stands up to scrutiny or not.

    If you doubt what I'm saying about there being no good evidence for the forgery claims, listen to the debate, and I give in there a link that you can still go to to get a copy of the full book for whatever you're willing to pay, even if that's nothing.

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  26. @Anonymous

    "Woodman never answered this question... it was asked twice during the program... the only way this happens is when a choice has been made to manipulate the document."

    The reason I didn't have a ready answer for this question is because it's never come forward as some big prominent "proof of forgery."

    The first thing that comes to mind, of course, is: Why do you think this is evidence for forgery, and not for software optimization?

    Mara Zebest has claimed that the (supposed) forger must have been very inexperienced to do what he did. So what do people with apparently zero graphics experience know about clipping masks? How is it that a forger with the IQ of a doorknob decided to create a clipping mask to hide... what? A blemish in the margin? It just doesn't make any sense at all.

    In any event, let me answer the question a bit better now.

    As I recall, the statement, "the only way this happens is when a choice has been made to manipulate the document" simply isn't true. To my recollection, clipping masks are produced in the optimization process and were present in the file from google books that I gave as an example in the book.

    So we see that the clipping mask is known to be produced in optimized files -- and that the claim it's good evidence for forgery just doesn't hold up. It just doesn't make sense.

    There seems to be this perception that if there's the tiniest point that I don't have a ready answer for ("Why's there a clipping mask in this file?"), then I must be an Obot on the payroll of Barack Obama, and that the 120 or so substantive points that I made in the book can just be ignored.

    But if anyone tells you Obama's birth certificate is obviously a fake, then THEY ought to be trusted.

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  27. "but I still feel the White House should've released the long form birth certificate earlier."

    Why? Hawaii doesn't even release the long form any more - He had to get special permission to release it. The COLB he released 4 years ago should have been (and legally is) sufficient.

    Why should Obama make a state bend it's laws in order to satisfy conspiracy nuts?

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  28. What I don't understand is why Mr. Woodman does not see that when a person like obama enters office during the time we were told by Bush and him that America was going to collapse if we did not give the tarp. One day after he gets into office he makes an executive order to hide his records. If you read the executive order it is so complicated that he must have paid thousand for the drafting of the executive order. When Bush was in office he shared his grades from college, his health records, military records etc. Doesn't this raise a flag? Then for two years he spends 1- million dollars to avoid showing his Birth certificate. He lets one of our soldiers get convicted and thrown in jail because he refused to show his Birth Certificate. Then after Terry Lakin goes to jail he then releases this now disputed birth certificate. These are not actions of an honest man with integrity. So why would Woodman be so overzealous to prove he is being honest and that the Birthers are what he said liars. Don't understand the man!

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  29. Orly's "experts" will be all ready to testify in Atlanta on Thursday that the PDF on the White House website is a forgery.

    Sadly, Obama's lawyer isn't going to submit the PDF. He's just going to submit the COLB. That's right, the short form that is the legal birth certificate from the State of Hawaii.

    So any testimony about the PDF will be irrelevant.

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  30. Corsi in my opinion is a good man. He sees there is something wrong and has continuously searched for the answers. Hw was shunned by all the media and ridicules by the alynsky tactics but has the courage to go forward. If you want to criticize some of the imperfect phrases in his book then you should read obamas as it is completely inaccurate.

    Here are some lies that should that are far worst than Corsi supposed lie but he says it was his conjecture. That is not lying like our dear obama.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Dzy8q3WHtc

    http://www.breitbart.tv/obamas-health-insurance-anecdote-about-mother-was-wrong/

    This is what Woodman should be putting his time into for a book. Not trying to pull down Corsi who is trying to get to the truth. Because of corsi we are now see mass corruption in Hawaii. He is digging up the truth. Not burying it.

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  31. "Why see a decorated officer in the armed forces go to jail and lose his benefits over this matter? "

    Lakin went to jail because he disobeyed orders... period. His claims that Obama was not CiC were legally bogus. Even if it were proven at some point, even today, that Obama was not legally eligible to be president/CiC, those orders are still lawful.

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  32. new developing story.
    Two Kenyan Hospitals Now Claim Obama’s Birth!

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  33. Developing story. 2 hospitals claiming Obama's birth!

    http://wtpotus.wordpress.com/

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  34. What good is a birth certificate if it does not state the hospital,the weight and height and the doctor who delivered the baby.

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  35. @Anonymous

    Obvious you did not follow the Lakin case. Ignorance makes you look foolish. Lakin has every right to question if his commander in chief is legal. Then in court he was not allowed to present evidece or his case. You need to read up on this before you make foolish remarks. Lakin served two duties one to iraq and one to afganistan, help injured men and is decorated. I bet you are on government assistant as you don't sound like you have much knowledge and make statements like you have about Lakin. You may even being paid as a obot!

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  36. Ah, video's from KBOA, real name Tracy, trying to show some NEW/SHOCKING/OMG moment.

    Shame this is a debunked BC from 2009...

    http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirthfinal.php

    And you wonder why people laugh and ignore "constitionalists"

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  37. Lets attempt to inject a morsel of fact shall we..?

    There is no "Developing story" what there is, is a well known crank, KBOA, swallowing ANOTHER fake Kenyan birth certificate and making up another of her turgid little video's.

    http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirthfinal.php

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  38. Obama is not eligible because he is not a natural born citizen. Everything else is a distraction

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  39. @Anonymous

    "So why would Woodman be so overzealous to prove he is being honest and that the Birthers are what he said liars. Don't understand the man!"

    I'm really not that hard to understand.

    I started researching the forgery issues because I was interested in the question of whether Obama was actually eligible, and the computer issues were right up my alley.

    Fairly quickly, I realized that many of the "expert" claims being put forth by various people simply weren't valid.

    I thought, "Hey, I'll make a video or two. Pointing out the failures of some of these "expert" claims will show a few of the people here locally that I might do business with that I actually know what I'm talking about technically. Might be good for business."

    One thing led to another. I realized that if I could find genuine evidence for forgery, then that would be a significant contribution that would likely have a significant impact on our society.

    After 3 months of evaluating every point I could find mentioned or could think of myself, I found lots of BAD "evidence," but no good evidence for forgery at all.

    At that point, what do you do? Sit on the results, or make them public? I chose to make them public, because it's a genuine contribution to our knowledge of the situation, and because it enabled me to become the published author of a carefully-done book that I am, frankly, proud of.

    It tells the truth.

    As for any involvement since the publication of the book, well, for a while it had to do with trying to get the book out there where people would actually read it. At this point, it's simply more to do with the truth.

    It frankly bothers me to see falsehoods being peddled to conservatives. I maintain that truth -- the HONEST truth, not some imagined "truth" that is simply based on one's political orientation -- is a core conservative value.

    So what I have done is simply to stand up for the truth. Conservatives are at their best when they speak the truth. I see plenty of reason to oppose Mr. Obama's reelection on the basis of his failure to properly manage his responsibilities as President. Under his watch, we are now another $4.5 TRILLION dollars in debt than we were just 3 years ago.

    Conservatives also look quite bad when they take a stand in favor of conspiracy theories that don't hold up to reality.

    So my plea to conservatives is this: Stand up for truth. Plain and simple. Don't persist in pushing claims that there's no good evidence for. Don't buy into conspiracy theories that allow others to paint conservatives as idiots.

    Again, everything I have claimed is open for scrutiny. Listen to the debate, read the book for yourself. Instead of only asking me to answer the most minute of questions, ask those claiming "proof" of forgery the same kinds of tough questions.

    Will you allow yourself to be easily led astray by people telling you what you'd like to hear, or are you willing to stand up for the truth in our society... period?

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  40. @ Trevor / Anonymous:

    What Really Happaned .com? A website by Sorcha Faal / (man's name), a famous KGB disinformation agent!! Google it!

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  41. @anonymous 8:10am

    Your little diatribe about Lakin demonstrates that you plainly never served.

    Lakin got his orders from his chain of command and unless he reported directly to the President he has no sane or legal ability to question the POTUS's orders. The military chain of command ends with the Sec Def and in Lakions case his CO.

    Lakins then CO, Colonel Roberts a CMOH holder and one of only two actively serving in the military, gave him his orders to deploy.

    The ONLY legal response Lakin had was "Sir, Yes Sir".

    It is curious, is it not, that Lakins questioning of the POTUS and his illegitimacy only surfaced AFTER he was told he was being deployed to Afghanistan and he never had an issue with taking the presumably equally illegal pay and benefits he continued to draw.

    At his court martial Lakin stated, in open court, as part of his elocution that he agreed and accepted that his opinion about the POTUS was nonsense.

    Notice you failed to mention that.

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  42. Ok Mr. Woodman, can you explain the TXE in the "stamp" on the Obama BC?? Or the cursive 3 or smiley face in the Alvin Onaka "stamp" on the Obama BC? These anomalies are not seen on any other BC that have been shown to date. In case you need the simple explanation, his is the only BC "stamped" with those special "stamps" in the last 3+ years. How do you explain away those 2 glaring items?

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  43. John,
    Explain this.
    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/08/former-hawaii-election-clerk-tim-adams.html

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  44. @ AR925 11:41 AM

    "Ok Mr. Woodman, can you explain the TXE in the "stamp" on the Obama BC?? "

    He still hasn't explained the Clipping mask question. He stated the following:

    "As I recall, the statement, "the only way this happens is when a choice has been made to manipulate the document" simply isn't true. To my recollection, clipping masks are produced in the optimization process and were present in the file from google books that I gave as an example in the book"

    While clipping masks can be in optimized files, the clipping masks NEVER HIDE information when optimized... in order to use a clipping mask to HIDE information... this is done from image manipulation ONLY... it is a manual process done by a person who intends to HIDE INFORMATION. So Woodman's unibomber ramblings (to quote Zebest in the video) does NOT make the truth and common sense go away.

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  45. @ AR925 11:41 AM

    "Ok Mr. Woodman, can you explain the TXE in the "stamp" on the Obama BC?? "

    He still hasn't explained the Clipping mask question. He stated the following:

    "As I recall, the statement, "the only way this happens is when a choice has been made to manipulate the document" simply isn't true. To my recollection, clipping masks are produced in the optimization process and were present in the file from google books that I gave as an example in the book"

    While clipping masks can be in optimized files, the clipping masks NEVER HIDE information when optimized... in order to use a clipping mask to HIDE information... this is done from image manipulation ONLY... it is a manual process done by a person who intends to HIDE INFORMATION. So Woodman's unibomber ramblings (to quote Zebest in the video) does NOT make the truth and common sense go away.

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  46. @ AR925 11:41 AM

    "Ok Mr. Woodman, can you explain the TXE in the "stamp" on the Obama BC?? "

    He still hasn't explained the Clipping mask question. He stated the following:

    "As I recall, the statement, "the only way this happens is when a choice has been made to manipulate the document" simply isn't true. To my recollection, clipping masks are produced in the optimization process and were present in the file from google books that I gave as an example in the book"

    While clipping masks can be in optimized files, the clipping masks NEVER HIDE information when optimized... in order to use a clipping mask to HIDE information... this is done from image manipulation ONLY... it is a manual process done by a person who intends to HIDE INFORMATION. So Woodman's unibomber ramblings (to quote Zebest in the video) does NOT make the truth and common sense go away.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H76N3iX4inU

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  47. I didn't hear any "ganging up" What are you people talking about? They were all a bit annoyed at Woodman, that was obvious and he at them, but I can understand Karl's, Mara's, etc. annoyance at him, he's insulted their professional integrity with what appears to BS objections. Mr. Woodman, I think you are mislead and mistaken, and I'm highly suspicious of your intentions with this.

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  48. @ Linda January 23, 2012 1:40 PM

    Amen to everything you wrote...

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  49. Notice Woodman can never explain his position in a concise manner and continually fails to notice details... which might explain why he has his URL twice whenever you go to any links from his website... what professional computer expert has his URL posted twice in the web address bar?

    His ramblings in his bio reminds me of "Bubba" in the Forrest Gump Shrimp scene

    I got hardward, I got software, I got spyware, I got underwear, I work with Catholics, I work with Protestants, I work with Presbiterians, I work with moonies... he goes on and on...

    When you're telling the truth... it can be summed up in concise statements. Shakespeare says "Brevity is the soul of wit" -- A concept foreign to Woodman.

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  50. After lessoning to Mr John Woodman I have to say he is an obama shill paid for by George Sorros . As far as I'm concern I trust Mr Corsi and Ms Zebest far more then this John character .

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  51. @Anonymous January 23, 2012 11:36 AM

    Your comments regarding Lt. Col. Lakin make it as clear as clear can be that either: a) you don't know a friggin thing about the military "Chain of Command", or; b) you do but you lie about it to suit your defend Obama at any/all cost agenda.

    Need I remind you that several NAZI officers were tried, convicted and executed for war crimes because they obeyed orders from their "Chain of Command" which they knew/should have known were not lawful.

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  52. Here is what woodman should be studying:
    Date: January 23, 2012 10:12:45 PM PST
    “Very Interesting Bit Of Detective Work”
    1. Back in 1961 people of color were called 'Negroes.' So how can the Obama 'birth certificate' state he is 'African-American' when the term wasn't even used at that time?
    2. The birth certificate that the White House released lists Obama's birth as August 4, 1961. It also lists Barack Hussein Obama as his father. No big deal, right? At the time of Obama's birth, it also shows that his father is aged 25 years old, and that Obama's father was born in " Kenya , East Africa ". This wouldn't seem like anything of concern, except the fact that Kenya did not even exist until 1963, two whole years after Obama's birth, and 27 years after his father's birth. How could Obama's father have been born in a country that did not yet exist? Up and until Kenya was formed in 1963, it was known as the " British East Africa Protectorate".
    3. On the birth certificate released by the White House, the listed place of birth is "Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital ". This cannot be, because the hospital(s) in question in 1961 were called "KauiKeolani Children's Hospital" and "Kapi'olani Maternity Home", respectively. The name did not change to Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until 1978, when these two hospitals merged. How can this particular name of the hospital be on a birth certificate dated 1961 if this name had not yet been applied to it until 1978?

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  53. @Kenneth Olsen

    In what way is any of what President Obama (or, more accurately, his staff) has posted on line "bizarre"? How would you go about "releasing" a document?

    Regarding Blue Falcon and ex-con Terry Lakin, as someone who betrayed both his oath as a soldier and his oath as a doctor by putting his fellow troops lives at risk he is lucky that wasn't imprisoned longer for his cowardice.

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  54. Poor "Racer Jim"

    You still bever served, the only "servioe" you perform are on the interesting sites you frequanet and you still fail to grasp that Lakin HIMSELF, at his court martial accepted that his entire thesis was broken.

    He admitted the POTUS is NOT in his chain of command and he admitted his whole stance was arrant nonsense.

    Come back and respond when you grasp the fundamentals of what it means to be a member of the services.

    I'll give you a hint, UCMJ Articles 87 and 92

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  55. @AR925

    Ok Mr. Woodman, can you explain the TXE in the "stamp" on the Obama BC?? Or the cursive 3 or smiley face in the Alvin Onaka "stamp" on the Obama BC?

    I went into detail on these in the book. The entire area of the THE of the stamp shows signs of degrading in the image -- NOT just the "H".

    The "H" also shows definite signs in the AP document of actually BEING an "H" -- not an "X," and not a "K."

    I should pause to note here that Corsi first claimed it was an "X," and then claimed it was a "K" and revealed the first name of the forger -- "MIKE." In doing so, he totally contradicted himself.

    If you're really interested in the truth, by the way, I recommend you question Corsi and his experts just as skeptically as you question me.

    Really reading and digesting my book would be a very good place to start.

    As for the supposed cursive "E," and the supposed smiley face, they just really don't look that way in the higher-detail AP document.

    Again, I suggest you read my entire book and apply the same skepticism to Corsi and his crew that you would apply to me.

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  56. @Anonymous

    Regarding Tim Adams:

    Once again, a question I looked into.

    Let's say you accept Tim Adams as absolutely truthful and his testimony as absolutely true. Even so, all we would have is rumors from anonymous sources who were obviously not themselves in a position to know, quoting still other anonymous sources who might or might not have been. It's not just hearsay, it's double hearsay.

    On the other side of things, we have clear statements from half a dozen or so Hawaiian public officials from BOTH sides of the aisle, plus the testimony of Obama's English teacher (who says she remembers hearing of his birth IN HAWAII at the time it took place), plus the fact that you can go to any of maybe 100 different major libraries across the country (I don't know how many -- that's a guess) and pull up announcements of Obama's birth on old microfiche copies of 2 of the Hawaiian newspapers of the day.

    Once again, I recommend to interested parties: Read the book. There's LOTS of good information in there.

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  57. @Anonymous

    All three of the issues you named: the use of the word "Negro" to describe Barack Obama, Sr., Obama's father's age, and the hospital name, were issues I looked into and considered. They are covered in the book.

    Like every other issue I investigated, they turned out to be nothing.

    Which brings me to an interesting point. Jerome Corsi and others (Mara Zebsest, Karl Denninger, etc.) have made a pretty big claim: that the President of the United States has a forged birth certificate.

    This, in spite of official certification and the personal testimony of half a dozen State officials from not just the Democratic administration, but the Republican one that preceded it.

    This, in spite of the testimony of Barbara Nelson, Obama's high school teacher, who's publicly stated that she personally recalls discussion of Barack Obama's birth, in Hawaii, in August of 1961.

    This, in spite of the fact that anyone here can go to a major library and look up the newspaper announcements of Mr. Obama's birth on microfiche in not one, but two Hawaii newspapers from 1961.

    Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

    Why, then, are you guys giving those making extraordinary claims -- against the obvious evidence -- a full and absolute pass, while demanding extraordinary proof from me?

    Just something to think about.

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  58. @Slartibartfast

    bizarre |biˈzär|
    adjective
    very strange or unusual, esp. so as to cause interest or amusement

    A scan usually produces a single layer JPG or TIFF document.
    A multilayered PDF document with unreproducible anomalies is very strange and unusual.

    Thanks for asking.

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  59. A clear explanation on how a clipping mask can be used to manually and intentionally HIDE information can be found from the Adobe site and there's a video on how a clipping mask would be manually manipulated to hide information.

    A clipping mask is an object whose shape masks other artwork so that only areas that lie within the shape are visible—in effect, clipping the artwork to the shape of the mask. The clipping mask and the objects that are masked are called a clipping set. You can make a clipping set from a selection of two or more objects or from all objects in a group or layer.

    The clipping mask (when manually manipulated) can act like a window - in which everything inside the window is visible but everything outside the window is hidden. Clipping masks that are created by an optimization process will NEVER EVER HIDE data. How many times have you scanned in an image and had the information hidden from your view from the scanning process? Regardless of the saving settings... the image is completely visible unless you manipulate it to hide information.

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  60. Why has Congress attempted over 10 times to change the meaning of NBC since bari came on the scene? If it does not mean 2 citizen parents WHY are they trying to change it?

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  61. Mr. Woodman, Would you please explain what you found that leads you to believe,

    *All three of the issues you named: the use of the word "Negro" to describe Barack Obama, Sr., Obama's father's age, and the hospital name, were issues I looked into and considered. They are covered in the book.


    Like every other issue I investigated, they turned out to be nothing.*
    I am sorry if I missed this, but can you explain TXE in Oanak's stamp?

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  62. @Kenneth Olsen

    "A scan usually produces a single layer JPG or TIFF document."

    Are you saying that there isn't a setting that scans directly into a PDF?

    Here is a PDF of a map of Charleston Peninsula. Open it in Adobe Illustrator and it has tons of layers. For example, the highway 17 marker next to the Arthur Ravenal Jr. Bridge has four layers - one for the shield border, one for the shield background, one for the number 1 and one for the number 7

    Why so many layers for a simple map that probably was produced on graphics program before being turned into a PDF?

    http://www.charlestoncvb.com/pdf/chaspenmap.pdf

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  63. @ John Woodman who states:

    "Once again, I recommend to interested parties: Read the book. There's LOTS of good information in there."

    Based on your comment posts here and the five people comment posts (that include you) at your site, there doesn't seem to be anything worth reading if the logic in the book matches your site discussions... but all that aside... where's that link to a free copy as promised in the radio show? Didn't see it at your site as promised?

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  64. @Charlene

    Find a link to the high resolution image of the LFBC. Magnify the TXE. It is clear that it is THE. There was a problem with ink transfer from the stamp to the paper. Other letters also show the same thing. Since the PDF is a lower resolution, the finer details disappear.

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  65. @Anonymous

    "where's that link to a free copy as promised in the radio show? Didn't see it at your site as promised?where's that link to a free copy as promised in the radio show? Didn't see it at your site as promised?"

    You should see it, if you're going to the URL I specified in the debate.

    If you're having problems, contact me through the web site (obamabirthbook.com) and I'll send you the link via email.

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  66. MUST SEE OUTSTANDING VIDEOS!!


    THE KENYAN PARLIAMENT ADMITS OBAMA IS NOT A NATIVE-BORN IN THE USA AMERICAN CITIZEN.

    THE KENYAN PARLIAMENT PUBLICLY ACKNOWLEDGES & RECOGNIZES DURING KENYAN PARLIAMENT LEGAL GOVERNMENT PROCEEDINGS THAT OBAMA WAS BORN IN KENYA AND IS A SON OF THE SOIL OF KENYA

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_8PC3oKAvA&feature=related

    * * * *

    The Current INS Officially Recognizes A Delineation Between Natural-Born and Native-Born.

    Excerpt:

    "Adding these official Interpretations of the INS, published at the official “.gov” site, to the Supreme Court’s opinion from Minor v. Happersett, the true Constitutional definition of a natural-born citizen, as one born in the country to citizen parents, is further reinforced."

    See The Entire Article Here:

    http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2012/01/25/the-current-ins-officially-recognizes-a-delineation-between-natural-born-and-native-born/

    * * * *

    BARACK OBAMA'S CRIMINAL TIES TO KENYA?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=POLOBD5XSzk&NR=1

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  67. MUST READ OUTSTANDING ARTICLES!!

    "KENYAN PARLIAMENT CLAIMS OBAMA BORN IN KENYA"

    "SO WHERE IS THE UNITED STATES MILITARY?"

    By Sharon Rondeau
    ThePostEmail.com
    April 11, 2010

    Excerpt:

    "(Apr. 11, 2010) — A member of the Kenyan Parliament has stated in a meeting of that body on March 25, 2010 that Barack Obama was born in Kenya.

    The statement, which discussed the concept of “devolution,” or ethnic inclusion, reads: “If America was living in a situation where they feared ethnicity and did not see itself as a multiparty state or nation, how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the President of America?” A screenshot of page 31 of the Minutes where the statement appears is below."

    See The Entire Article & Links Here: http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/04/11/kenyan-parliament-claims-obama-born-in-kenya/

    * * * *

    "KENYAN PARLIAMENT PROCLAIMED OBAMA'S BIRTH THERE IN NOVEMBER 2008"

    "REPEATED REFERENCES TO OBAMA'S PURPORTED ORIGINS IN "OFFICIAL" DOCUMENTS, AS WELL AS KNOWLEDGE OF "ILLEGAL" ACTIVITY"

    Submitted by Terry R. Wiley
    ThePostEmail.com
    April 14, 2010

    "Kenya gained its independence from Great Britain in 1963 but was a de facto one-party nation from 1969 to 1982"

    Excerpt:

    "(Apr. 14, 2010) — While the March 25, 2010 Kenyan Parliament meeting Minutes, or Hansard, stated unequivocally that Barack Hussein Obama was born in that country, the topic had also been mentioned repeatedly at the Parliament session held one day after the U.S. presidential election.

    The following excerpts are from the Minutes of November 5, 2008, all containing references to Obama’s relationship to Kenya as expressed by members of the Parliament and entered into the official record. Items in bold were added by The Post & Email for emphasis."

    See The Entire Article & Links Here:
    http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/04/14/kenyan-parliament-proclaimed-obamas-birth-there-in-november-2008/

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  68. MUST SEE OUTSTANDING VIDEO!!

    NDAA Is A Hoax: You Can't Legalize Tyranny

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxSVt1R4Iws&feature=g-vrec&context=G2a0d321RVAAAAAAAAAg

    ~ Please listen carefully to ALL of Alex Jones' outstanding words in this video!!! ~


    Excerpt:

    "President Obama quietly waited weeks to sign the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) legislation on New Year's Eve after publicly threatening to veto the bill that, among other things, authorizes the indefinite detention of American citizens.

    Obama's signing statement tries to reassure observers that he wouldn't use the "law" to detain citizens, but that is an illusion; his signing statement is meaningless, and the establishment occupying Washington have pulled a hoax on The People in violation of the Constitution and Bill of Rights to enslave them.

    But you can't legalize tyranny. One of the nation's most well known legal precedents, Marbury vs. Madison, set in 1803, makes clear that any "law" that is "repugnant to the Constitution is null and void."

    The blatant unconstitutional powers enacted in the legislature and executive branch is backfiring, however. This crowning act of tyranny is awakening people to the true intentions of Big Government in its takeover. The NDAA is so openly in violation of the American way, that Obama had to play lip-service to it in his signing statement language, even as he gave it the power of law.

    Critics in the ACLU and Human Rights centers have abandoned their comfort zones and attacked the president from the left for crossing the Rubicon on rights, as they rightly should.

    Now is the time for more to join that call; for Americans of all stripes to speak out against so-called "laws" that enable blatant political targeting of dissidents and declare a war against the citizens of this country. Make no mistake, if we sit idly by and let this precedent become accepted-- like the Patriot Act, with the appearance of law-- more and more unconstitutional legislation will obviously take hold."

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  69. MUST SEE OUTSTANDING VIDEO!!

    NDAA IS A HOAX: YOU CAN'T LEGALIZE TYRANNY


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxSVt1R4Iws&feature=g-vrec&context=G2a0d321RVAAAAAAAAAg

    ~ Please listen carefully to ALL of Alex Jones's outstanding words in this video!!! ~


    Excerpt Under The Video:

    "President Obama quietly waited weeks to sign the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) legislation on New Year's Eve after publicly threatening to veto the bill that, among other things, authorizes the indefinite detention of American citizens.

    Obama's signing statement tries to reassure observers that he wouldn't use the "law" to detain citizens, but that is an illusion; his signing statement is meaningless, and the establishment occupying Washington have pulled a hoax on The People in violation of the Constitution and Bill of Rights to enslave them.

    But you can't legalize tyranny. One of the nation's most well known legal precedents, Marbury vs. Madison, set in 1803, makes clear that any "law" that is "repugnant to the Constitution is null and void."

    The blatant unconstitutional powers enacted in the legislature and executive branch is backfiring, however. This crowning act of tyranny is awakening people to the true intentions of Big Government in its takeover. The NDAA is so openly in violation of the American way, that Obama had to play lip-service to it in his signing statement language, even as he gave it the power of law.

    Critics in the ACLU and Human Rights centers have abandoned their comfort zones and attacked the president from the left for crossing the Rubicon on rights, as they rightly should.

    Now is the time for more to join that call; for Americans of all stripes to speak out against so-called "laws" that enable blatant political targeting of dissidents and declare a war against the citizens of this country. Make no mistake, if we sit idly by and let this precedent become accepted-- like the Patriot Act, with the appearance of law-- more and more unconstitutional legislation will obviously take hold."

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  70. ALL AMERICAN CITIZEN'S,


    PLEASE WATCH THESE MUST SEE VIDEOS!!!


    Obama May Cancel 2012 Elections! (1 of 2)
    Dr. Jerome Corsi

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLHbjb_h6yM&feature=player_embedded

    * * * *

    Obama May Cancel 2012 Elections! (2 of 2)
    Dr. Jerome Corsi

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=nRi6JCeOp9Y&feature=endscreen

    Excerpt:

    "Dr. Jerome Corsi discusses who Barack H Obama II is and whether he will cancel the 2012 elections under the cover of economic collapse!

    A private investigation reveals that the Social Security Number being used by Barack Obama does not pass a check with E-Verify, the electronic system the U.S. Citizenship and Immigrations Services of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security has created to verify whether or not prospective employees have the required authorization to work legally in the United States.

    Dr. Jerome Corsi's Outstanding Article At This Link: www.wnd.com/?pageId=344461#ixzz1XsL18aBY

    Over the past few years, the E-Verify system has received national attention because of its ability to determine if prospective employees are illegal immigrants who have entered the United States without the legal authority to work."

    http://www.infowars.com

    http://www.prisonplanet.tv

    http://www.infowars.net

    http://www.prisonplanet.com

    http://twitter.com/#!/realalexjones


    * * * *

    ~ BETWEEN THE LINES ~

    "CHRISTIANS: BE PREPARED FOR BAD TIMES AHEAD"

    "EXCLUSIVE: JOSEPH FARAH EXHORTS BELIEVERS TO TAKE JESUS' WARNINGS SERIOUSLY"

    Joseph Farah
    Between The Lines
    WND.com
    January 23, 2012

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/01/christians-be-prepared-for-bad-times-ahead/


    * * * *

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  71. John Woodman: "This, in spite of the fact that anyone here can go to a major library and look up the newspaper announcements of Mr. Obama's birth on microfiche in not one, but two Hawaii newspapers from 1961."

    That Mr. Woodman would trot out this tired, old, specious argument as some kind of proof for Obama having been born in Hawaii betrays him as a fraud and not the honest truth-seeker he claims to be.

    I tried giving you a chance, Mr. Woodman. But quite frankly, the fact that you resort to such obvious liberal canards as the newspaper birth announcements, makes me extremely suspicious of you and your true motivations.

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  72. the TXE looks as if something was laying
    beneath the paper when it was stamped.
    Maybe a paperclip ?

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